Eleventh-hour rant re Amical

[Austin Hair]

Well, this is fun:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Austin#Would_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_bring_the_Association_Amical_de_la_Viquip.C3.A8dia_.28the_not-yet_and_never_accepted_virtual_Wikimedia_CAT_Chapter.29_to_court_and_put_wikipedians_in_jail.3F

Austin

[Jon Huggett]

Do we know who from Amical or Wikimedia CAT will be in Berlin?
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Post by Austin Hair
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Austin#Would_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_bring_the_Association_Amical_de_la_Viquip.C3.A8dia_.28the_not-yet_and_never_accepted_virtual_Wikimedia_CAT_Chapter.29_to_court_and_put_wikipedians_in_jail.3F
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[Delphine Ménard]

Post by Jon Huggett
Do we know who from Amical or Wikimedia CAT will be in Berlin?

<troll>
There is no such thing as Wikimedia CAT
</troll>

:D

I suppose Joan Goma, as usual.

Delphine

[Lodewijk]

for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.

In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.

Best, Lodewijk

Post by Delphine Ménard

Post by Jon Huggett
Do we know who from Amical or Wikimedia CAT will be in Berlin?

<troll>
There is no such thing as Wikimedia CAT
</troll>
:D
I suppose Joan Goma, as usual.
Delphine
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[Austin Hair]

Post by Lodewijk
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.

I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.

Austin

[Jon Huggett]

you met with him last year and since as well?
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Post by Austin Hair

Post by Lodewijk
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.

I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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[Theo10011]

I think Capsot left a message for all the movement roles participant. He has
been indefinitely blocked from Meta for adding libelous information.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capsot

Theo

Post by Jon Huggett
you met with him last year and since as well?
*Jon Huggett*
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for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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[Jon Huggett]

Was something in his posting libelous?
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I think Capsot left a message for all the movement roles participant. He has been indefinitely blocked from Meta for adding libelous information.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capsot
Theo
you met with him last year and since as well?
Jon Huggett
[phone]
[phone]
www.huggett.com
Skype jon.huggett

Post by Austin Hair

Post by Lodewijk
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.

I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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[Theo10011]

Not sure, that was a judgement call by User:WizardofOZ, a Meta admin and a
long-standing community member. No one has questioned or opposed the ban
yet, so I doubt its going to be reverted.

I can ask Wizard and get back to you, if you like.

Theo

Post by Jon Huggett
Was something in his posting libelous?
*Jon Huggett*
[phone]
[phone]
*www.huggett.com*
Skype jon.huggett
I think Capsot left a message for all the movement roles participant. He
has been indefinitely blocked from Meta for adding libelous information.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capsot
Theo

Post by Jon Huggett
you met with him last year and since as well?
*Jon Huggett*
[phone]
[phone]
*www.huggett.com*
Skype jon.huggett
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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[Theo10011]

Wizard clarified that it was because of posting private emails on wiki
publicly that he was blocked. He has also asked someone to suppress the
edits.

Theo

Post by Theo10011
Not sure, that was a judgement call by User:WizardofOZ, a Meta admin and a
long-standing community member. No one has questioned or opposed the ban
yet, so I doubt its going to be reverted.
I can ask Wizard and get back to you, if you like.
Theo

Post by Jon Huggett
Was something in his posting libelous?
*Jon Huggett*
[phone]
[phone]
*www.huggett.com*
Skype jon.huggett
I think Capsot left a message for all the movement roles participant. He
has been indefinitely blocked from Meta for adding libelous information.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capsot
Theo

Post by Jon Huggett
you met with him last year and since as well?
*Jon Huggett*
[phone]
[phone]
*www.huggett.com*
Skype jon.huggett
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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[Jon Huggett]

Presumably that refers to the email he had received from Wikimedia ES?
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Wizard clarified that it was because of posting private emails on wiki publicly that he was blocked. He has also asked someone to suppress the edits.
Theo
Not sure, that was a judgement call by User:WizardofOZ, a Meta admin and a long-standing community member. No one has questioned or opposed the ban yet, so I doubt its going to be reverted.
I can ask Wizard and get back to you, if you like.
Theo
Was something in his posting libelous?
Jon Huggett
[phone]
[phone]
www.huggett.com
Skype jon.huggett

I think Capsot left a message for all the movement roles participant. He has been indefinitely blocked from Meta for adding libelous information.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capsot
Theo
you met with him last year and since as well?
Jon Huggett
[phone]
[phone]
www.huggett.com
Skype jon.huggett

Post by Austin Hair

Post by Lodewijk
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.

I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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[Asaf Bartov]

Certainly!

At the very least, his suggestion that there's some kind of nepotism in the
fact both partners at the Klempert-Menard household are in "positions of
power". (Ignoring the fact they have individual and unrelated records as
trusted volunteers, and the fact the Board is not appointed by ChapCom,
etc.)

Asaf

Post by Jon Huggett
Was something in his posting libelous?
*Jon Huggett*

[Delphine Ménard]

Post by Asaf Bartov
Certainly!
At the very least, his suggestion that there's some kind of nepotism in the
fact both partners at the Klempert-Menard household are in "positions of
power".  (Ignoring the fact they have individual and unrelated records as
trusted volunteers, and the fact the Board is not appointed by ChapCom,
etc.)

Damn you read the whole thing? Where is that? I caught the female
fishmonger (which is actually kind of deserved :P), but I did not
catch the accusation of nepotism...

Delphine

[Delphine Ménard]

Ah got it.

These people need to get a life.

:)

Delphine

Post by Delphine Ménard

Post by Asaf Bartov
Certainly!
At the very least, his suggestion that there's some kind of nepotism in the
fact both partners at the Klempert-Menard household are in "positions of
power".  (Ignoring the fact they have individual and unrelated records as
trusted volunteers, and the fact the Board is not appointed by ChapCom,
etc.)

Damn you read the whole thing? Where is that? I caught the female
fishmonger (which is actually kind of deserved :P), but I did not
catch the accusation of nepotism...
Delphine
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Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org
Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org

[Theo10011]

All of the changes made by Capsot have been reverted, some have been
suppressed as well. The decision was taken by Meta Admins.

Also, It might not be pertinent to the topic but Goma seems to be following
whats going on, he reverted a meta admin on the Wikimedia CAT page.


Theo

Post by Delphine Ménard
Ah got it.
These people need to get a life.
:)
Delphine

Post by Delphine Ménard

Post by Asaf Bartov
Certainly!
At the very least, his suggestion that there's some kind of nepotism in

the

Post by Delphine Ménard

Post by Asaf Bartov
fact both partners at the Klempert-Menard household are in "positions of
power". (Ignoring the fact they have individual and unrelated records

as

Post by Delphine Ménard

Post by Asaf Bartov
trusted volunteers, and the fact the Board is not appointed by ChapCom,
etc.)

Damn you read the whole thing? Where is that? I caught the female
fishmonger (which is actually kind of deserved :P), but I did not
catch the accusation of nepotism...
Delphine
--
@notafish
NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will

get lost.

Post by Delphine Ménard
Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive -

http://blog.notanendive.org

Post by Delphine Ménard
Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org

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[Delphine Ménard]

Post by Theo10011
All of the changes made by Capsot have been reverted, some have been
suppressed as well. The decision was taken by Meta Admins.
Also, It might not be pertinent to the topic but Goma seems to be following
whats going on, he reverted a meta admin on the Wikimedia CAT page.

Theo, live and learn. Goma is like GLUED to the meta pages he's
interested in. :)

Try making a comment on anything that he might be interested in,
you're sure to get an answer within seconds.

Been there, done that.

I love the fact that the decision to revert was made by independant
people. (unless you asked them?) The Amical people will never believe
us, but hey, it's my little victory.

Delphine, blasée.
(Using the French word, not the English :P)

[Delphine Ménard]

Post by Delphine Ménard

Post by Theo10011
All of the changes made by Capsot have been reverted, some have been
suppressed as well. The decision was taken by Meta Admins.
Also, It might not be pertinent to the topic but Goma seems to be following
whats going on, he reverted a meta admin on the Wikimedia CAT page.

Theo, live and learn. Goma is like GLUED to the meta pages he's
interested in. :)
Try making a comment on anything that he might be interested in,
you're sure to get an answer within seconds.
Been there, done that.
I love the fact that the decision to revert was made by independant
people. (unless you asked them?) The Amical people will never believe
us, but hey, it's my little victory.

Darn, Lodewijk had a hand in it. Well, he just subtly pointed them to
the talk pages, didn't tell them what to do. Still a victory ;)

Delphine
(as for blasée, I was using the French spelling, cos I'm a woman, and
the feminine is blasée, whereas, if I'm not mistaken, English always
uses "blasé")

[Austin Hair]

Post by Jon Huggett
you met with him last year and since as well?

At the chapters meeting and at various meetings at Wikimania; he has a
thing about dropping in anywhere he thinks his case can be heard,
whether he's invited or not.

Austin

[Samuel Klein]

I assume good faith on Goma's part, and hope you all will as well.

He is coming to Berlin for the Movement Roles meeting, because we
invited him. He is leaving on Friday as he was not invited to stay
for the Chapters meeting.*

He is one of the driving forces behind major projects on the Catalan
Wikipedia, and has been for many years, since long before the question
of a Catalan chapter became a big issue. To tar Goma with the brush
of someone 'trying to get his case heard' is just as inappropriate as
suggesting that Delphine and Arne are pat of some Foundation
conspiracy.

He lives and breathes Wikipedia, as do most of the Amical Board --
something many of us can related to. And he spends far more of his
time on national and cultural projects (like the event supporting
small languaegs that ca:wp held in honor of their 10th anniversary,
and their GLAM event that happened yesterday in Barcelona) than he
does on these meta-wikimedia dramas.

I have met with him twice, and been offended by him more than once
online, but I have been deeply impressed with the quality of work that
his group does, and the sense of camraderie and collaboration that
drive them. If we cannot find ways to work with them with respect and
without snide commentary, we are failing our movement.

SJ

* NB: On behalf of the Foundation, I regret that no one representing
Amical will be in attendance this weekend.
The Board politely and unofficially asked the Wikimedia Conference
organizers to invite a representative from Amical, after discussing
this at our last IRC meeting, as their work lines up with many topics
on the agenda.

Post by Austin Hair

Post by Jon Huggett
you met with him last year and since as well?

At the chapters meeting and at various meetings at Wikimania; he has a
thing about dropping in anywhere he thinks his case can be heard,
whether he's invited or not.
Austin
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[Lodewijk]

Ehm, I must have missed something here, I hope you care to elaborate. He has
been invited by whom exactly? And for what? (And sure I am assuming good
faith - I do not think that he is coming to make our life hard or anything.
But does he have a strong opinion and does he want to participate at
relevant discussions? Sure. Nothing wrong with that an sich.)

I am having the feeling that lots of communication gets lost somewhere...

Lodewijk

Post by Samuel Klein
I assume good faith on Goma's part, and hope you all will as well.
He is coming to Berlin for the Movement Roles meeting, because we
invited him. He is leaving on Friday as he was not invited to stay
for the Chapters meeting.*
He is one of the driving forces behind major projects on the Catalan
Wikipedia, and has been for many years, since long before the question
of a Catalan chapter became a big issue. To tar Goma with the brush
of someone 'trying to get his case heard' is just as inappropriate as
suggesting that Delphine and Arne are pat of some Foundation
conspiracy.
He lives and breathes Wikipedia, as do most of the Amical Board --
something many of us can related to. And he spends far more of his
time on national and cultural projects (like the event supporting
small languaegs that ca:wp held in honor of their 10th anniversary,
and their GLAM event that happened yesterday in Barcelona) than he
does on these meta-wikimedia dramas.
I have met with him twice, and been offended by him more than once
online, but I have been deeply impressed with the quality of work that
his group does, and the sense of camraderie and collaboration that
drive them. If we cannot find ways to work with them with respect and
without snide commentary, we are failing our movement.
SJ
* NB: On behalf of the Foundation, I regret that no one representing
Amical will be in attendance this weekend.
The Board politely and unofficially asked the Wikimedia Conference
organizers to invite a representative from Amical, after discussing
this at our last IRC meeting, as their work lines up with many topics
on the agenda.

Post by Austin Hair

Post by Jon Huggett
you met with him last year and since as well?

At the chapters meeting and at various meetings at Wikimania; he has a
thing about dropping in anywhere he thinks his case can be heard,
whether he's invited or not.
Austin
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[Jon Huggett]

thanks. good to know.
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Post by Lodewijk
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
Best, Lodewijk

Post by Jon Huggett
Do we know who from Amical or Wikimedia CAT will be in Berlin?

<troll>
There is no such thing as Wikimedia CAT
</troll>
:D
I suppose Joan Goma, as usual.
Delphine
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NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get lost.
Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org
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[Jon Huggett]

Well, I have messages from Gomà and Capsot on my talk page, too.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jhuggett

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Post by Delphine Ménard

Post by Jon Huggett
Do we know who from Amical or Wikimedia CAT will be in Berlin?

<troll>
There is no such thing as Wikimedia CAT
</troll>
:D
I suppose Joan Goma, as usual.
Delphine
--
@notafish
NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get lost.
Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org
Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org