Discussion:
Work for the week of 7 February
Austin Hair
2011-02-07 16:14:19 UTC
Permalink
Hi guys,

I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)

The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
meeting has two main goals for the coming week:

* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?

* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).

Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.

Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.

Cheers,

Austin

[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_MOVING_FORWARD
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
Samuel Klein
2011-02-08 18:57:07 UTC
Permalink
Dear MR*,

I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the
Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our
notes:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29

I believe we all have more work to do on the tough topics we adopted:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/tough_topics

I also added section names and shared Alice's work:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/topic_ideas

And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with
our longer summarized topic list:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/matrix

This seemed like the least-controversial subset of the matrix work:
If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps
we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white.
However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context
and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"

Regards,
SJ

* PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
Post by Austin Hair
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_MOVING_FORWARD
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Jon Huggett
2011-02-09 10:49:01 UTC
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Thanks, SJ, and hi to all!

I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_questions

As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this, I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l and foundation-l.

If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi everybody. The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa. If you would like to know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a full description of our work. We are looking forward to discussing this with the community over the coming months." Any improvements welcome!

Cheers

Jon
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Post by Samuel Klein
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the
Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/tough_topics
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/topic_ideas
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/matrix
If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps
we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white.
However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context
and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards,
SJ
* PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
Post by Austin Hair
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_MOVING_FORWARD
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Lodewijk
2011-02-09 11:51:37 UTC
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Hi Jon,

I think a longer email would very much be welcome. Arne sent some
emails to explain the working group over half a year ago, and most
people will have forgotten that. Let alone that in that time boards
have changed, chapters have been added etc. So I suggest to at least
spend two paragraphs on the importance of this working group and why
we want to involve the chapters here. Referring to a webpage for that
kind of information is most of the times not very effective.

A short summary of the meeting (fruitful, no decisions but rather
drafting a path forward and initializing discussions - along those
lines) would I believe also be very helpful. Some kind of trigger to
motivate people to actually open the link you send :)

Best,

Lodewijk
Post by Jon Huggett
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all!
I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_questions
As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this,
I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l
and foundation-l.
If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi
everybody.  The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a
very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter
and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa.  If you would like to
know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a
full description of our work.  We are looking forward to discussing this
with the community over the coming months."  Any improvements welcome!
Cheers
Jon
Jon Huggett
+44-795-278-0688
+1-415-465-2700
www.huggett.com
Skype jon.huggett
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the
Hare.  With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/tough_topics
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/topic_ideas
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/matrix
If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps
we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white.
However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context
and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards,
SJ
*  PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment?  It would
be much more fun to say.
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_MOVING_FORWARD
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Bishakha Datta
2011-02-09 11:53:59 UTC
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Agree with Lodewijk - I think a longer email + summary would be useful to
increase participation.
Bishakha
Post by Lodewijk
Hi Jon,
I think a longer email would very much be welcome. Arne sent some
emails to explain the working group over half a year ago, and most
people will have forgotten that. Let alone that in that time boards
have changed, chapters have been added etc. So I suggest to at least
spend two paragraphs on the importance of this working group and why
we want to involve the chapters here. Referring to a webpage for that
kind of information is most of the times not very effective.
A short summary of the meeting (fruitful, no decisions but rather
drafting a path forward and initializing discussions - along those
lines) would I believe also be very helpful. Some kind of trigger to
motivate people to actually open the link you send :)
Best,
Lodewijk
Post by Jon Huggett
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all!
I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_questions
Post by Jon Huggett
As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review
this,
Post by Jon Huggett
I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l
and foundation-l.
If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi
everybody. The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we
had a
Post by Jon Huggett
very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a
charter
Post by Jon Huggett
and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa. If you would like to
know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a
full description of our work. We are looking forward to discussing this
with the community over the coming months." Any improvements welcome!
Cheers
Jon
Jon Huggett
+44-795-278-0688
+1-415-465-2700
www.huggett.com
Skype jon.huggett
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the
Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/tough_topics
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/topic_ideas
Post by Jon Huggett
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/matrix
Post by Jon Huggett
If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps
we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white.
However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context
and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards,
SJ
* PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_MOVING_FORWARD
Post by Jon Huggett
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
Post by Jon Huggett
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Delphine Ménard
2011-02-09 14:09:24 UTC
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A more trivial question.

We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the
roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?

Delphine
Post by Jon Huggett
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all!
I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_questions
As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this,
I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l
and foundation-l.
If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi
everybody.  The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a
very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter
and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa.  If you would like to
know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a
full description of our work.  We are looking forward to discussing this
with the community over the coming months."  Any improvements welcome!
Cheers
Jon
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+44-795-278-0688
+1-415-465-2700
www.huggett.com
Skype jon.huggett
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the
Hare.  With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/tough_topics
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/topic_ideas
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/matrix
If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps
we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white.
However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context
and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards,
SJ
*  PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment?  It would
be much more fun to say.
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_MOVING_FORWARD
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Lodewijk
2011-02-09 14:13:33 UTC
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Hm, I find it less trivial :P

If you are on-schedule with the role matrix itself, I would be a fan
of staying on schedule as much as possible (possibly one day delay),
even if that means there are two messages close together. I think it
is important to keep things moving, and there are many topics to
cover. We had good reasons for picking Thursday, so I would like to
keep that day if somewhat possible at least for the next weeks.

Best,

Lodewijk
Post by Delphine Ménard
A more trivial question.
We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the
roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?
Delphine
Post by Jon Huggett
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all!
I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_questions
As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this,
I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l
and foundation-l.
If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi
everybody.  The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a
very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter
and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa.  If you would like to
know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a
full description of our work.  We are looking forward to discussing this
with the community over the coming months."  Any improvements welcome!
Cheers
Jon
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+44-795-278-0688
+1-415-465-2700
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Skype jon.huggett
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the
Hare.  With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/tough_topics
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/topic_ideas
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/matrix
If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps
we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white.
However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context
and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards,
SJ
*  PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment?  It would
be much more fun to say.
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_MOVING_FORWARD
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Jon Huggett
2011-02-09 17:21:33 UTC
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I agree that one day later is probably OK. Would it make sense to make it the main agenda item of our IRC chat on Friday to elicit as much participation as possible?
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Post by Lodewijk
Hm, I find it less trivial :P
If you are on-schedule with the role matrix itself, I would be a fan
of staying on schedule as much as possible (possibly one day delay),
even if that means there are two messages close together. I think it
is important to keep things moving, and there are many topics to
cover. We had good reasons for picking Thursday, so I would like to
keep that day if somewhat possible at least for the next weeks.
Best,
Lodewijk
Post by Delphine Ménard
A more trivial question.
We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the
roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?
Delphine
Post by Jon Huggett
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all!
I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_questions
As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this,
I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l
and foundation-l.
If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi
everybody. The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a
very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter
and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa. If you would like to
know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a
full description of our work. We are looking forward to discussing this
with the community over the coming months." Any improvements welcome!
Cheers
Jon
Jon Huggett
+44-795-278-0688
+1-415-465-2700
www.huggett.com
Skype jon.huggett
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the
Hare. With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/tough_topics
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/topic_ideas
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/matrix
If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps
we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white.
However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context
and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards,
SJ
* PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment? It would
be much more fun to say.
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_MOVING_FORWARD
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Samuel Klein
2011-02-09 20:04:59 UTC
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yes, let's review. compress the next week a bit but get back on by monday? SJ
Post by Delphine Ménard
A more trivial question.
We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the
roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?
Delphine
Post by Jon Huggett
Thanks, SJ, and hi to all!
I've added to the raw notes on meta the interview reflections
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group/initial_questions
As per our IRC agreement on Friday to give everyone 24 hours to review this,
I'll wait before sending out an email pointing to this page to internal-l
and foundation-l.
If anyone is interested, the text I'm planning on using is short: "Hi
everybody.  The movement roles workgroup wants to let you know that we had a
very productive working weekend in Frankfurt, and are working on a charter
and recommendations to share at Wikimania in Haifa.  If you would like to
know more there is a full account of the meeting on meta [link], along a
full description of our work.  We are looking forward to discussing this
with the community over the coming months."  Any improvements welcome!
Cheers
Jon
Jon Huggett
+44-795-278-0688
+1-415-465-2700
www.huggett.com
Skype jon.huggett
Dear MR*,
I hope this finds you all well and looking forward to this Year of the
Hare.  With help from Lodewijk, I have prettified and published our
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/tough_topics
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/topic_ideas
And shared a simplified uncolored version of the matrix, along with
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Working_group_meeting_2011-1-29/matrix
If everyone is comfortable sharing our colorization directly, perhaps
we can directly swap in the colored version for the black-and-white.
However, we may want to do this separately with more explicit context
and explanation, as Delphine has suggested, including
- what it means when a row is all green; how to improve on that
- how to designate disagreements about color; what they mean
- how to distinguish between "current status" and "ideal status in
the movement we are imagining together"
Regards,
SJ
*  PS - can we be the Movement Roles Official Work-Regiment?  It would
be much more fun to say.
Hi guys,
I just wanted to briefly recap the work we've planned for this week,
post some relevant links, and generally give a helpful nudge in the
right direction for the goals we've set. You can look forward to me
doing this at least once a week; try to resist the urge to add me to
your e-mail blacklists. :)
The not-yet-distilled timeline[0] sketched out at the Frankfurt
* An overview with some context for the raw etherpad notes, the whole
of it being transcluded to meta. Jon is waiting for this for his
e-mails to the lists, and the deadline we set was today. Sj, Lodewijk,
I see some work on the wiki—are you guys in touch and still on track
for this?
* Our first weekly topic for discussion, to go out on 10 February, is
the roles matrix. Delphine and Anirudh are the leads for this, with
Sj, Barry, Alice, Jon, and whatever support I can give. I know that
Del sent an e-mail last week and created a placeholder page[1] for the
work; I wikified the raw matrix and put it on a subpage[2] of the
meeting page, and Alice started wikifying our cloud[3] (apparently
with the assistance of an anonymous trainee).
Finally, while the deadline isn't this week, we're shooting for a
solid table of contents for the charter by 18 February. I've started a
page[4] which currently contains the relevant notes from the etherpad
and a link to the list of charter topics[5] on meta; my hope is to
have some structure by this Friday's meeting, so anyone with some time
to help sketch things out is welcome/encouraged/requested/begged to do
so.
Sorry for the somewhat lengthy e-mail—I tried to be brief, but there's
a ton of work to be done.
Cheers,
Austin
[0]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Etherpad_notes#PLAN_MOVING_FORWARD
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/Roles_Matrix
[2]
http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/Activities_matrix
[3] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/January_meeting/metaplan
[4] http://movementroles.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charter
[5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/Charter_topics
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Austin Hair
2011-02-10 20:07:25 UTC
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It's great to see people rolling up their sleeves, this week—Sj,
Delphine, and Alice in particular have put in quite a bit of work, and
although we're a bit behind, I agree that we can compress and get a
lot done this weekend.

As Jon proposed elsewhere in this thread, I think we can re-align
ourselves at tomorrow's meeting and stay more or less on track.

Austin
yes, let's review.  compress the next week a bit but get back on by monday?  SJ
Post by Delphine Ménard
A more trivial question.
We're behind schedule. Can we review it? Or do we keep sending the
roles matrix out tomorrow, for example?
Delphine
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