Edit war in movement roles?

[Joan Goma]

Please can somebody take look at this.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Movement_roles_project/Current_players_and_their_roles&action=history

It seems to me crystal clear that any organization working in the real world
has the role and the need of fund raising no mater if it is a chapter or
not.

But it seems that I am unable to explain it. It seems that Beria believes
that the only way to raise funds is signing an agreement with WMF.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Galileo Vidoni]

I think, Joan, there's a misunderstanding here about what does *fund raising
* mean. If it has to do with *raising funds*, in the general sense, I agree
with you. However, in case we are talking about the global
*fundraising*campaign, then the general agreement, even within this MR
working group, is
that it is restricted to WMF and those Wikimedia chapters able to
participate, mostly because partner organizations or whatever Wikimedian
association different from a chapter won't necessarily be subject to the
territory of a certain state (be it national or subnational) as chapters
are.

I think Béria understands your edits in the second sense, and you intend to
mean the former: that Amical, for instance, is able to raise funds.
Rewording that may avoid the edit war, IMHO.

Best,
galio

Post by Joan Goma
Please can somebody take look at this.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Movement_roles_project/Current_players_and_their_roles&action=history
It seems to me crystal clear that any organization working in the real
world has the role and the need of fund raising no mater if it is a chapter
or not.
But it seems that I am unable to explain it. It seems that Beria believes
that the only way to raise funds is signing an agreement with WMF.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
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[Samuel Klein]

Post by Galileo Vidoni
I think Béria understands your edits in the second sense, and you intend to
mean the former: that Amical, for instance, is able to raise funds.
Rewording that may avoid the edit war, IMHO.

+1

[Samuel Klein]

Please do not edit war over this.

I think all groups in the movement with trademark agreements will be
able to participate in fundraisnig in the sense of raising funds on
their own. Direct fundraising via the sitewide notice during the
annual fundraiser is different, and has so far been restricted to a
subset of chapters.

There is a question of what it means to share banner-driven
fundraising 'proportionally' with groups -- whether geolocating a
reader's IP is a good method for defining proportionality for some
groups, and whether any other methods make sense. And there are
philosophical differences about whether this concept of
proportionality, rather than something tied to mission-aligned work /
effective planning / measurable impact is a good long-term model.

I do not expect us to fully resolve this question by the summer, we
should focus on identifying points where there is no consensus.

SJ

Post by Joan Goma
Please can somebody take look at this.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Movement_roles_project/Current_players_and_their_roles&action=history
It seems to me crystal clear that any organization working in the real world
has the role and the need of fund raising no mater if it is a chapter or
not.
But it seems that I am unable to explain it. It seems that Beria believes
that the only way to raise funds is signing an agreement with WMF.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
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